April 24, 2014


9:30 to 10:00 refreshments
A light lunch will be served at an appropriate time.

Regrets: Enid Haley, Claire Burnett, Geoffrey Roulet, George Gadanidis

PRESENT: Peter Crippen, Shirley Dalrymple, Gary Flewelling, Geoffrey Hunter, Steve Brown, Chris Nanou, Tom Sutton, Stewart Craven, Gila Hanna, Eric Muller, Peter Taylor, Pat Rogers, Miroslav Lovric, Bradd Hart, John Kezys, Ysbrand de Bruyn, Araceli Reyes, Walter Whiteley, Chris Suurtamm, Ed Barbeau, Gord Doctorow, Dragana Martinovic, Cheryl Turner, Diane Wyeman


1. Welcome
2. Approval of Agenda - Additional items
Bradd Hart introduces the sculpture dedicated to the Fields Institute; 4 dimensional object. Reception on February 15, 2002 at 3:30.
For more information see webiste on Sculpture Dedication Ceremony
3. Minutes of October 27 and November 24, 2001 meetings
4. Matters arising from the Minutes
5. Developments at the Fields since the last meeting
6. Report by the Steering Committee
The March 2 Forum Meeting will be organized by the On Line Mathematics Courses Task Force. A minimum of reports will be given at this meeting

The April 6 Forum Meeting will be organized around the theme of issues in elementary mathematics education. The focus will be on providing a variety of information to Forum members who are not familiar with this area. The outcome of this meeting could be the formulation of the program of a future Forum meeting. Tom will bring the Program together, drawing on other Forum members.

At another time the Forum should address the mathematics preparation of elementary school teachers.

A preliminary discussion of the document on the CMS National Education Fora suggested 1. that the Steering Committee should identify individuals for the Program Committee and that these representatives should not be at the university level. The Steering Committee was concerned that the composition of the Committee so far was so much dominated by university people. 2. that a future meeting of the Forum should consider the proposal and make suggestions for the Program. The Fields will be hosting the second Forum and the Agenda for this meeting aims to have reports on mathematics education activities set by the first Forum. It is therefore important that the Fields have a say in developing the agenda for the first Forum. 3. that the Steering Committee should continue its discussion on the Fora by email and it should develop procedures for addressing this important proposal by the CMS.

7. Reports by the Task Forces
a. On-line courses - writers are writing!!

b. Grade 12 Mathematics of Data Management - Sandy will present at the OAME conference in February
- Fathom software will be available to the Ministry in a month, including raw data from Statistics Canada in many categories

c. School, College and University Interface
Thursday, January 17, 2002 - Transition Committee Meeting
Here is a record of the meeting that we all attended.
I will try to encapsulate the important points that were
made in some kind of reasonable order. If I have misrepresented any of you or skipped out something important, send me a rocket. Some of you suggested that we could have a future meeting, when there are some materials that could be displayed, such as texts, tests, examinations and notes for class activities.

Please feel free to pass this along to folks who could not make it, but who would like to be added to the list for future meetings and communications.


AFIC MCB4U Advanced functions and introductory calculus OSIS the old curriculum
MDM MDM4U Mathematics of data management OSS the new curriculum
GDM MGA4U Geometry and discrete mathematics  

1. The list of attendees
Ryerson PU Peter Danziger
Chris Grandison
Ann-Marie Filip
Randall Pyke
Sophie Quigley
York U Tom Salisbury
Margaret Sinclair

U Toronto Ed Barbeau
Ragnar Buchweitz
Dietrich Burbulla
Christine Clement
Steve Cook
Danny Heap (CSC)
Arnold Rosenbloom
Any Wilk

Guest Maria Chiu
Secondary Stewart Craven
Sandy DiLena
Gord Doctorow
Biyu Joseph
Maharukh Kootar
Michael McMaster
Steffi Nathan
Bob Pickering
Inga Shukla
Silvana Simone
Peter Wei
Regrets: Martin Muldoon, York U
Stephen Chamberlin, York U
Walter Whiteley, York U
John Bland, U of Toronto
Abe Igelfeld, U of Toronto
Mike Lorimer, U of Toronto

2. Dissemination of Information
(a) Some websites:

(b) It might be useful to have a website that teachers and students can go to to get test items to help them check their readiness for university study. These would test fluency and reasoning. However, it should be emphasized that they should be predicated on the OSS curriculum and not include material that students cannot be expected to master. (Someone mentioned PLAR Prior Learning Assessment R..., but I did not pick up the details of this.)

(c) It is important that final examinations be available.

3. Concerns about OSS graduates

(a) It was emphasized by many present that the OSS graduates on the whole will be less mature, and this may have at least as great an impact as any other factor.

(b) The new curriculum has trigonometry in Grade 11 but not in Grade 12. Students may come to university with a weaker background of this important area than before.

(c) Students will not have sufficient experience with proofs, or have a strong enough ability to reason step by step.

(d) Will students be able to understand and use notation?

(e) Students may be too strongly seduced by the calculator to gain other important skills for science and engineering programs.

(f) The use of technology by the students will be largely banal; the opportunity for real power does not seem to be in the curriculum.

(g) Will the students know what they must master or what will be expected of them when they enter university? Can we provide sample tests and diagnostics?

(h) While students may have understanding, they may not have algebraic fluency required.

(i) Will it be possible for all schools to mount GDM?

(j) There are lots of impending retirements, and will be lots of new teachers in the system. There is an impending shortage of qualified mathematics teachers. Will the new teachers have the background to implement the new curriculum?

(k) What will happen in the transition year? Will some schools combine OSS and OSIS courses, and what will be the result?

(l) Ontario seems to be a pioneer in the new curricular philosophy; there do not seem to be other jurisdictions we can look to for guidance.

(m) It is likely that universities for various reasons will not be able to put much effort into sorting out the problems of the double cohort.

4. Assessment

Under OSS, the final examination will be worth 30% (as compared with 40-50% under OSIS), and the other 70% will be on term work. Teachers will be expected to assess along four categories: knowledge & understanding, applying procedures, problem solving, and communication. This will be boiled into a final mark. Boards will create examinations and evaluation instruments centrally. In the short term, not too much will change.

5. The technology

(a) The technology will be chiefly calculators. Students will use packages like Geometer's SketchPad, but most will not be familiar with Maple or Mathematica.

(b) The pedagogical advantage of technology will be in helping students to visualize, and be readily able to see the results of transformation.

(c) Technology will provide an additional way for students to perceive and represent mathematical ideas.

(d) Research indicates that student investigations with SketchPad lead to more secure geometric knowledge.

6. Differences between graduates of the two regimes

(a) (PW) The chief difference will be maturity.

(b) (PW) The old textbooks have short problems. In the new, the problems will be more extensive, "like a story". Chapters will tend to be organized around a main problem. Then the tools will be developed in the chapter to tackle the problem.

(c) (GD) The technology will make a difference. Students will have used graphing calculators since Grade 9. Students will be able to communicate more readily and use the technology, but there will be no more depth than before.

(d) (GD) The main attention to proof will be in the GDM. In the old curriculum, proof was addressed before Grade 12, but this was not effective for most students. The difference between old and new may not be as great as might be expected, and students with GDM may be in better shape.

(e) (PW) There are three broad groups of students. Many university-bound students will be enriched and do quite well in university. A lot of students will be struggling, and a third group, who may find themselves in U courses, may not be fit for university.

(f) (MS) Students will have more experience in modelling, dealing with data and representing data.

(g) (SC) The goal of the OSS is to bind students and teachers into a "community of learners".

(h) (SN) Students should be more skilful at looking at problems.

7. Caveats

(a) One should not judge the new curriculum on the basis of the first cohorts to reach university, as they will not have had the revised curriculum at the elementary level to prepare them for high school. The current elementary curriculum puts a lot of emphasis on communicating and justifying, and this will lead to better performance in high school. [It was noted that in Eastern Europe, 15-16-year-olds are good at reasoning because of their earlier exposure to solving problems.]

(b) The implementation of the new curriculum will be uneven, according to the competence or resistance of the teacher.

(c) Students are having to make choices quite early, and may do so unwisely. There is a lot of responsibility on the individual teacher.

(d) Already there is a wide variation in incoming students to university. Students tend to sort themselves according to intended destination, which may not correspond to their preparation. Departments cannot check or enforce high school prerequisite for first year entrants.

(e) The pace of instruction is like to continue to be a problem with students.

(f) Only in Ontario is calculus the fourth high school mathematics credit. In other jurisdictions, students have four courses before they get to calculus.

(g) High school is more than preparation for university.

(h) There will be permanent changes in the students, and the universities must be prepared to make changes to the first year courses to accomodate these. Otherwise, there will be an invidious gap between what students come with and what they will be expected to know at university. However, universities should not simply reteach what students should be expected to pick up in high school.

(i) Professional schools, such as engineering, have to worry about accreditation, and this crimps their ability to make substantial modifications to the curriculum.

(j) University people should examine the texts for OSS when they appear.

8. Reports from Associations and other Groups
- resources for grade 12 courses: college/tech. courses as high priority, and gr. 12 workplace course (no text for these)
- involved in profiling course material
- all dependent on Ministry funding

- annual Leadership Conference is fully booked February 21, 22, 23, 2002 at the Four Points Hotel
- registration brochures for the annual Spring Conference: May 2 to 4, 2002 at Georgian College, have been sent to members and school - registration online as well
- next board meeting: Friday February 8, Saturday February 9, 2002
- forum discussion topics: "Issues related to becoming a service provider for teacher re-certification" and " Developing professional portfolios for teachers"
- strong discussion on who will be service providers and who will not (boycotting) "all universities should refuse to be service providers!!!"
- alternate models of growth and professional models

The Ontario Colleges Mathematics Association will be holding a PD dinner meeting March 4 at 5:45 to 9 pm; George Brown College where Dr. Georges Monette will present "Paradoxes of Regression: Some Elliptical Insights"
The 22nd Annual OCMA Conference will be held at the Georgian College Kempenfelt Conference Centre, Barrie Ontario, May 29 to 31 2002. This event attracts college mathematics educators from across Ontario. We are looking for presenters and if you wish to address our group, let's talk.
All are welcome to participate and for further information contact John Kezys

December 9, 2001 - speaker David Kim (Alberta)
- exchange between teachers in universities and other math educators

Aside discussion of EQAO math testing results
- results coming out soon
- Junior High schools scored highest percentile
- some boards counting marks toward courses, others not
- inconsistent administration of test, marking, student confidence and test taking
- difference between semester and non-semester school
- there needs to be strong communication between university math teachers and elementary and high school math teachers

e. CMS
f. Other
9. Other matters

10. Forum discussion organized and led by Ed Barbeau -
. how much change can we really expect from the OSS matriculants?
. how will tertiary institutions be able to interpret the new assessment and make comparisons between the OSS and OSIS applicants?
To inform the discussion, I would like to make the following observation. It appears that with OSIS there is considerable variation among schools in preparing students for higher education, and one might expect a similar variation with OSS. Indeed, one might argue that some of the attributes that lead to success in university mathematics (clear thought, ability to reason and analyze, flexibility of expression and thinking) are promoted by good teachers in any regime, although the new curriculum if properly handled might make such things more explicit and lead to a higher probability of success. The question of fairness in admitting students in the double cohort is a serious one, and one wonders to what extent the secondary sector can be helpful in allowing tertiary institutions to properly interpret the results. (see 7c for more detail).

The meeting will adjourn at 2:00pm

Reminder: Dates of Future Meetings
March 2, 2002
April 6, 2002
May 11, 2002
June 8, 2002